Gawfer

Comment from Bloviating Zeppelin
Time May 28, 2009 at 5:49 pm

Torture is that which permanently disables, marks, scars, dismembers or kills an individual. Torture is that from which one can likely never recover. Waterboarding isn’t torture. If so, then you could make the argument that the dentist is torture. That harsh language or sarcasm is torture. That only proving pork as food to Muslims is torture.

Not.

BZ

Comment from fouse, gary c
Time May 29, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Congrats,

You got a (negative) mention on Krazy Keith Olbermann’s show tonight on your waterboarding bit. I switched on to Keith during the OReilly commercials. He should rename his show the waterboarding show.

Comment from Kate
Time May 31, 2009 at 4:31 pm

What BZ said.

I did actually drown as a teen, so I’ve had a major aversion to water in my face since. I couldn’t handle it. BUT….that being said, at least they lived, and so did many who might not have had the information not been gotten through such methods.

Comment from Gawfer
Time May 31, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Amen, Kate and BZ.

Thanks for the head’s up Gary; however, loathe to watch Olberman, he mentioned Gawker, not me.

The video he mentioned did indeed appear to be a carnival show. The one I linked here has a certain amount of authenticity.

Comment from cary – Botan Ichihara
Time June 2, 2009 at 9:11 am

Waterboarding is not torture – as BZ pointed out, there are no permanent scars as a result.

The left is going to keep using this smokescreen. Ignore the crap – keep focusing on what the administration of the pretender is doing while the MSM has the non-issues flapping in front of us.

Comment from mdconservative
Time June 3, 2009 at 8:06 am

I say it is NOT torture. Surprised?

Comment from Gawfer
Time June 3, 2009 at 8:35 am

Not at all, MD. Welcome aboard.

Everyone I’ve talked to agrees that it does not fit the definition of torture. Is it unpleasant and frightening? Absolutely; it’s supposed to be. Life threatening or permanently disabling? No

Comment from Just John
Time June 6, 2009 at 4:41 am

Students are routinely subjected to behavior and treatment that they do not like; is that torture?

The guy in the video was able to sit down and have a pleasant discussion with his “torturer” after the event. How many true victims of torture can do that? How many are able?

The left is full of crap, as usual. They should all be tortured with future viewings of all episodes of, “The View.”

Comment from Someone With a Brain
Time June 20, 2009 at 7:59 am

By what stretch of the imagination is that NOT torture?? And to the person who compared it to going to the dentist – BIG DIFFERENCE: at the dentist you can make it stop or get up and leave if you want to. And even in the video demonstration the guy had an out. That would clearly not be the case in a real life situation.

It amazes me the amount of doublethink needed to convince yourself that it isn’t torture. THINK: If it isn’t torture, why is it being done? Just because you change the name to “enhanced interrogation technique” the nature of what it actually is doesn’t change. It is the act of creating extreme panic in order to glean information. Ridiculous in itself because it’s been proven that torture is not a reliable method of gaining information. People will say whatever they think you want to hear just to make it stop and that may or may not be the truth.

FYI, there are incidents of death during waterboarding.

I’ll say it again: THINK.

Comment from Gawfer
Time June 20, 2009 at 8:37 am

Let’s be clear, oh pompous one, when American lives are at stake, I am not opposed to toture… Hell, remove body parts if it SAVES American lives.

I would submit that we do not torture our own troops, yet part of advanced military training for covert ops incudes a session on the board.

Clearly, you have a weak stomache for the hard decisions in life. That’s okay, stand aside and let grown ups work. Go back to worrying about who the next survivor to be voted off will be.

And as far as your assertion that deaths have occurred from water boarding, provide proof or shut the hell up.

Comment from Someone With a Brain
Time June 20, 2009 at 1:36 pm

Wow. I guess the concept of Christian moral responsibility threatens you. If being a “grown up” means spitting in the face of the pacifistic teachings of Jesus and reverting to a Bronze Age eye-for-an-eye mentality then count me out. Carry on with your simplistic pugilistic beliefs. Just remember that as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

P.S. I’ve never seen “Survivor”. You seem familiar with it though.

P.P.S. There’s no “e” in “stomach”.

Comment from Gawfer
Time June 20, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Brilliant comment! Unfortunately Christ was speaking to the individual and not a government tasked with the welfare of an entire nation.

If in fact you are a Christian as you claim, then you seem to overlook the fact that Christ was present before the beginning, as He IS God just as the Holy Spirit IS God and the Father Is God. So, knowing that, He was there when God ordered many actions to defend His people, and even called David “a man after His heart.” If you remember, after lobbing a stone into the forehead of Goliath, David quickly sliced off his head and held it up for the Philistines to see. Not very Christian by your definition, is it?

David didn’t do that for himself, he did it for his people. The difference if you haven’t picked it up yet is Christ instructed us as individuals on how to behave toward other individuals… one to one. In the scenario we are discussing, we have one, or a few who seek to harm many. If the government does not act immediately and concisely, then they have failed as leaders and your trust in them to protect and defend you is wholly misplaced. The federal government has one primary responsibility: to establish and maintain nation security.

Once again, let the grown ups make the decisions you don’t have the STOMACH for. How’s that you arrogant ass? Now get off my web site before I ban you into eternity.

Comment from Someone With a Brain
Time June 21, 2009 at 1:15 am

FYI: Jesus spoke out against the barbarism of the Old Testament; a fact which you would know if you had ever actually studied the Bible. Anyone who would have the sheer stupidity to try to fabricate rationalizations for Jesus somehow being in support of the concept of torture truly needs to have their head examined. At the very least you should take all nods to Christianity off your web site because you, sir, are no Christian.

Comment from Gawfer
Time June 21, 2009 at 9:06 am

Really? where did He speak out against Barbarism? Do you mean here?

Matt 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”?

Or how about this:

Matt 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”?

Again oh arrogant one who hides behind a psudonym, Christ was speaking to the individual responsibile for his own behavior; not to a government tasked with the welfare of an entire nation. Do yourself a favor and be quiet now, so my other readers merely think you a fool instead of continuing with your adolescent interpretations, thus removing all doubt.

By the way, I did ask you to provide proof of your previous assertion that waterboarding has caused deaths. I’m still waiting… Oh yeah and one last point:

“…At the very least you should take all nods to Christianity off your web site because you, sir, are no Christian…”

Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
39 He also told them this parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.
41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye…”

Seems to me your having a little trouble with this concept as well.

Comment from Gawfer
Time June 21, 2009 at 7:19 pm

OK, you silly toadstool.

I finally got off my butt and researched your IP address and discovered you’re not even in America. Belgium in fact, yet you stand back and criticize the country that liberated your ass in 1945.The arrogance and shear stupidity illustrated by you would be astounding except for the fact that every other screaming lunatic liberal is the same way, so go pound sand.

You’re not welcome here just as Gert Wilders isn’t welcome in Holland… you asshats.

Comment from Someone With a Brain
Time June 22, 2009 at 4:01 am

Wow. It’s really hard to fathom the gaping idiocy that it takes to twist those Bible passages into meaning that torture would be OK with Jesus. You are truly sick. Yes I am in Belgium but I happen to be an American. Not that your ignorance was lost on me in your assertion of the US having “liberated Belgium’s ass”. Crack open a history book sometime. The US was a PART of the Allied forces but by no means the largest part.

BTW It’s GEERT Wilders and it just so happens that he is free to espouse his views in Holland, he just isn’t allowed undue power which is a very wise choice for people who have seen what happens when that kind of fascism is allowed to flourish. If you are in defense of him I can only assume that you are a Neo-Nazi (your views on torture and sense of nationalistic entitlement sure seem in line with theirs) and have recognized one of your own.

It’s people like you – with your hate filled violent views and your inability to express yourself without shooting out a string of personal insults (and yet all the while having the AUDACITY to call yourself a Christian) – that give conservatives and indeed all Americans a bad name.

Of course I’m not welcome on your blog. The truth is too threatening to you. I leave you to your self-delusions. Keep talking about torturing and killing “them terrorists” while pretending you are a Christian. And by all means keep lashing out at anyone who reveals your hypocrisy.

Comment from Gary
Time June 22, 2009 at 8:06 am

What’s the matter, knucklehead? You’ve continually insulted me and my site, yet when I asked you to provide one piece of evidence that anyone has died from water boarding, you attack my faith. Somehow, because I’ve had enough of political correct boneheads like yourself espousing a kind of religion that is watered down and innocuous, you feel it your self appointed responsibility to destroy what you can’t control.

Clearly, you an anal retentive moron who feels the need to even correct spelling. I’ll allow you to read this, but will delete and ban you this evening. You may have American citizenship, but you are not American. You’re willing to put the individual terrorist before innocent civilians. I’m guessing now you’re not a Christian, but Muslim.

I’ll know when you hit this site again. Please say something provocative that will garner the attention of law enforcement.

Comment from Someone With a Brain
Time June 23, 2009 at 10:43 am

Go ahead and ban me you mental midget. My mom dropped me on my head while breastfeeding when I was 12, and I have never been the same since, though my medicines do seem to be helping with the uncontrolled drooling, and the seizures aren’t as frequent. I want to accuse you of American censorship for banning me, but since this is your site, you have the right to decide who gets to comment. I know I’m just a coward for hiding behind a pseudonym, but I’m embarrassed that I live in my mother’s basement and play with dolls.

Comment from Gary
Time June 23, 2009 at 5:17 pm

No worries, brainless. I appreciate your humility though. Perhaps you can understand that since this is my paid site, I determine free speech, and I’ll take necessary action to help you say what needs to be said.

Breastfeeding at the age of 12, huh. That seems a bit odd to me, even perverted. Perhaps your mother should speak to law enforcement, or at least a psychologist.

Be careful with drugs as well. I remember an episode of SNL when Dan Aykroyd played the part of an elderly gentleman who had a problem with uncontrollable drooling. He wore a spit cup on his chin to catch his dribbling. Perhaps that would be less invasive. Just a thought.